Email has many flaws, but it's the last, strongest part of the non-centralised Internet we have left. We should promote and support it for that reason.

@ebel Curious to know what are those!

My only concern is that corporations suppressing the mail delivery from self-hosted email domains is sad.

@mysticmode yeah big corps like Google hindering email is a flaw. If more people self hosted, it could help stop the centralisation.

IMO flaws in email are: security (ha! What security), that it's hard/practically impossible to send large files, and most email clients being horrible (IMO). And spam of course (which is partially why we have centralisation)

@ebel Also with the right setup you can do email over onion addresses.

@bob @ebel oooh, TIL
how much of the security issues does that solve?

@grainloom @ebel It solves a bunch of them. There are no issues with STARTTLS or certificates. You don't need GPG. You get transport security and metadata defense. And you can still use your existing email clients. The down side is that not many MTAs are set up to handle onion addresses.

@bob @grainloom @ebel how do you have to setup an MTA to handle onion addresses?

@hirojin @ebel @grainloom It's complicated and I've only done it with exim4. I could do a blog post on it. Like a lot of server related things, the information about how to do this which exists on the web is fragmentary or just wrong.

@hirojin @bob @grainloom I've never done it with MTA. But Tor has a transparent proxy thing ( ), which might be useful for making any programme onion address aware (I've only briefly played with it, and the docs point out it's not very secure)

@ebel one of the last open standards used but we need to free DNS

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